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setnahkt
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posted 10-06-2007 07:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for setnahkt     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
How life was lived where and when is kind of a recurring theme with me. I was just a little surprised there was actually enough evidence to make a reasonable guess about life in 1000 AD, but it seems like there is. Authors Robert Lacey (a historian) and Danny Danziger (a journalist) draw on a variety of sources, but the book is centered around the “Julius Work Calendar”, an Anglo-Saxon document listing various feast days and religious festivals, but also including a nicely drawn little vignette of the kind of activity that went on in each month – plowing, sowing, harvesting, etc. (It’s called the Julius Work Calendar because it once belonged to an English antiquary who organized his library based on busts of Roman emperors he kept on the top shelf).

The actual content is interesting, of course, but also pretty typical for this kind of book – what people ate, what they wore, the role of women, etc. One thing that intrigued me was another document the authors used was a document traced back to the schoolteacher monk Aelfric of Cerne Abbas (same place with the chalk giant). This consists of a Latin dialog between a “Master” and various workers – plowman, fisherman, etc. – in which each explains what he does. This is clearly a pedagogical tool to teach students a lot of words in context. The neat thing is there’s an extremely similar Egyptian text usually called the “Satire on Trades” but officially The Instructions of Kheti which does much the same thing, listing the disadvantages of every occupation. Lots of copies of this exist, because it was used to teach schoolchildren reading and writing. And I remember various picture books from my own childhood with such things as “This is a fireman. He puts out fires. This is a doctor. He makes sick people better. This is a politician. He tells lies”. There is truly nothing new under the sun.


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Jeff Norman
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posted 10-07-2007 10:17 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Jeff Norman     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Was there any mention of the weather/climate?

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setnahkt
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posted 10-07-2007 10:51 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for setnahkt     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I was looking for that and didn't notice anything of particular interest.

Edit: now that I think of it, there was one mention of the Medieval Climate Optimum. I went back and checked, and there's a paragraph on how honey and grape pulp were the only sweeteners, and that grapes grew as far north as Ely. However, a little Googling shows that there are vinyards that far north now.

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Jeff Norman
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posted 10-07-2007 03:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Jeff Norman     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
True, but have there been any changes in technologies that might account for that similarity?

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entropy
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posted 10-07-2007 04:08 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for entropy     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Weather, somebody asked about the weather.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2007/oct/01/climatechange.scienceofclimatechange

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RDoherty
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posted 10-07-2007 07:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for RDoherty     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:

True, but have there been any changes in technologies that might account for that similarity?

In medieval times the grapes grown would have, of necessity, to have been European (Vitis vinifera) strains. These varieties mostly only survive along the southern coast, and only on American rootstocks, for reasons other than climate.

Most of the wine in England is presently made from European-American hybrids (Seyval is an exemplar) where the vinifera species are crossed with labrusca species. These hybrids are MUCH more cold tolerant than European species.

Bob.

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billholt
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posted 10-08-2007 01:08 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for billholt     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
It's been a year or so since I read this, but as I recall, another of point of interest supporting the climate subject is the discussion of the physical status of the people of that time. Several hundred years later, people in the area were notably smaller in stature than us. People around the year 1000, however, were our size. Good nutrition due to fortunate climate was the explanation, in addition to the iron, ox-drawn plow which was put into use not long beforehand.

As Set mentioned, the calendar is of interest because of the discussion of daily life in that day. Also though, I'd suggest that it's of interest because the considerable body of literature from that period was almost entirely destroyed in the generations following 1088.

I hope I'm not confusing this with another book on the same general topic, but as I recall there was also some interesting discussion of why the invasion of 1088 went as it did. For one thing, the Angle cavalry didn't ride horses into battle, but rode them to the battle. At that point they dismounted and lost the combat advantage.

For the twelve year old boys inside most of us, the discussion of certain parasites was also interesting. Imagine worms emerging from boils, or the corners of ones eyes. Euuuuch ... but an important part of the life of the time.

Finally, of the things that come immediately to mind, I thought the discussion of iron gall ink - new technology at the time, but used until at least the end of the eighteenth century - was quite interesting. A parasite on an oak tree causes a blister of sorts to form, a gall, and the juice is cooked with some iron filings to make a durable, black ink. It was well enough regarded that our Declaration of Independence was written with it.

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setnahkt
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posted 10-08-2007 11:00 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for setnahkt     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by billholt:
...For the twelve year old boys inside most of us, the discussion of certain parasites was also interesting. Imagine worms emerging from boils, or the corners of ones eyes...

I wasn't quite sure about some of that; the authors don't use technical names for the worms involved. The one they describe as emerging from all over the place they call a "maw worm", which appears to be a roundworm, something in the Ascaris genera, which is pretty much confined to the intestinal tract. Things emerging from the eye sound like loa-loa worms (which have the easy-to-remember scientific name Loa loa:

However, these guys are (fortunately) confined to tropical Africa so their presence in England would be pretty interesting.

"Worms" emerging from boils cound be bot fly larvae, which are technically maggots and not worms. There's a picture floating around on the Web of one of these being extracted from a eye, but as I'm sure El Buggo could tell us, they normally turn up in little holes elsewhere in the skin. They could also be "Guinea worms" (Dracunculus medinensis):

which can sometimes be extracted from various lumps. (If they're pulled out by coiling around a stick, they're supposed to be the origin of the caudecus, the classic medical symbol with a snake winding around a staff). Right now they're confined to the tropics but if they turned up in England in 1000 that could also be a sign of a warmer climate.

Historical novels are always full of fair maidens in long, flowing gowns and dashing heroes in armor, with a dashing Highlander in kilts now and then. They never seem to mention maggots popping out of people's eyeballs. It must not be romantic.

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SPQR
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posted 10-08-2007 11:27 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for SPQR     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Set must now be punished.

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Jeff Norman
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posted 10-08-2007 12:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Jeff Norman     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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the invasion of 1088
Ahem! That would be 1066.

Jeff Norman

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setnahkt
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posted 10-08-2007 06:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for setnahkt     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by SPQR:
Set must now be punished.

Well, it's always handy to have some pictures around to show to nature enthusiasts what Nature is really like.

Also, I can't help it if I took invertebrate zoology from a helminthologist. We spent three quarters of the course on worms and one day on insects. I know some fascinating facts about homosexual rape in acanthocephalans, and how you raise cestodes in the lab without letting them tie themsleves in knots and strangle.

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posted 10-08-2007 07:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SPQR     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by setnahkt:
Also, I can't help it if I took invertebrate zoology from a helminthologist. We spent three quarters of the course on worms and one day on insects. I know some fascinating facts about homosexual rape in acanthocephalans, and how you raise cestodes in the lab without letting them tie themsleves in knots and strangle.

Sex among molluscs and we are in Monty Python skit territory.

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setnahkt
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posted 10-08-2007 08:19 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for setnahkt     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Is there something you'ld like to know about sex among molluscs? (Not that I have any personal experience, mind you).

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billholt
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posted 10-09-2007 11:51 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for billholt     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Originally posted by Jeff Norman:
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That would be 1066.

Damn.

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dlittlew
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posted 10-15-2007 02:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for dlittlew     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Was there any mention of the weather/climate?

In the September chapter, just after the above cited mention of the use of grape skins as sweeteners, there are a few sentences:

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It was a warmer world. Archeological evidence indicates that the years 950 to 1300 were marked by noticeably warmer temperatures than we experience today, even in the age of "global warming." Meteorologists describe this medieval warm epoch as the "Little Optimum,", ..."

They go on to cite a number of favorable things that came about because of the greater warmth.

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