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10SNE1 Moderator	posted 12-19-2007 01:25 PM Anything with a dash of Scotch is good by me. IP: Logged
Ted Hales Moderator	posted 12-19-2007 04:49 PM I really don't get the point of vodka. Ok, a flavored one as an aside now and then, but plain vodka is just pointless, unless you're russian and are trying to forget that you live in a frozen wasteland. I think its that, in a pinch, they can run their tractors on it. IP: Logged
annef Moderator	posted 12-19-2007 05:36 PM KGB, being a green olive lover myself, albeit NOT in martinis, I suggest that you bring some cream cheese up to room temp, then smushing some olives into it and spreading it on a good bagel. They're also quite good in potato salad as well as Feta stuffed ones in a fine antipasto. Oh, yeah, slice some pimento stuffed ones and put them on top of deviled eggs. Or just fish some outta a jar and eat the durned things. Anne IP: Logged
KGB Moderator	posted 12-19-2007 05:38 PM quote: Originally posted by annef: Or just fish some outta a jar and eat the durned things. Anne Not that the other suggestions aren't good. Olives and feta definitely sound like something that should go together. Although it's been quite some time since I could hear or read "feta" without the Spiderman TV show theme song running through my head. IP: Logged
SPQR Moderator	posted 12-19-2007 07:20 PM quote: Originally posted by Ted Hales: I really don't get the point of vodka. Ok, a flavored one as an aside now and then, but plain vodka is just pointless, unless you're russian and are trying to forget that you live in a frozen wasteland. I think its that, in a pinch, they can run their tractors on it. The reverse really. Vodka got them use to drinking tractor fuel. IP: Logged
LaneH Member	posted 12-19-2007 09:53 PM quote: Originally posted by SPQR: The reverse really. Vodka got them use to drinking tractor fuel. these are not the fora for those who are .... delicate. Nice one Robin ------------------ lane h. can be reached at laneman@erols.com "Never let your mind remain so open that your brain falls out." IP: Logged
SPQR Moderator	posted 12-20-2007 12:56 AM Only partially a joke, Lane, I think Victor Suvorov wrote in one of his books about how Soviet army trucks would be drained of coolant for the alcohol content so often that once a corps sized maneuver had to be cancelled for lack of working truck transport. IP: Logged
entropy Member	posted 12-20-2007 01:18 AM Who was it that said that when experts disagree, the layman has no right to an opinion? Was he correct? http://www.nytimes.com/2007/12/18/science/18law.html?_r=1&8dpc=&pagewanted=all&oref=slogin [This message has been edited by entropy (edited 12-20-2007).] IP: Logged
Jeff Norman Moderator	posted 12-20-2007 01:39 AM No right to an opinion! Them's fight'n words. Sometimes a laypersons perspective provides a better grounding for an opinion. IP: Logged
LaneH Member	posted 12-20-2007 07:35 AM quote: ... Victor Suvorov wrote in one of his books about how Soviet army trucks would be drained of coolant ... Didn't know that. But, referencing back to the book I linked, there is remarkably similar statement about russian sailors drinking 'the anti-freeze'. shudder ------------------ lane h. can be reached at laneman@erols.com "Never let your mind remain so open that your brain falls out." IP: Logged
Steve_V Member	posted 12-20-2007 11:45 AM quote: Originally posted by LaneH: I really don't get the point of vodka. Ok, a flavored one as an aside now and then, but plain vodka is just pointless, unless you're russian and are trying to forget that you live in a frozen wasteland. Oh I quite disagree. A good vodka that is ice cold is a fine drink. Combine it with something like smoked salamon or maybe a nice cheese with some crackers or even, if you can afford it, caviar and it is even better. And a vodka tonic is also a great way to relax on a warm summer day. And making your own flavored vodka is fun. The simplest way is to buy some frozen berries, put them in a jar, pour on the vodka, put the lid on, stick in the fridge and wait a few days. Pour some on ice, add some tonic water and you have a berry flavored soda with a nice little something to help you relax. Slice up a mango and you have mango flavored vodka. Oranges, limes, lemon, peaches, etc. And a vodka martini is a fine thing. Of course I add a more vermouth than the typical recipe calls for, and with all the interesting olives you can get at BevMo you can have some fun there too. And yes Tennis, scotch is a fine thing as well. I've recently been drinking Bowmore 12 year old. A nice smooth Islay scotch. Not as strong as Laphroaig, but not as smooth as Lagavulin. I am curious to try some Bunnahabhain, maybe after I finish off my current bottle of Bowmore. Geez...you'd think I was a total alcoholic. ------------------ Steve "In a nutshell, he [Steve] is 100% unadulterated evil. I do not believe in a "Satan", but this man is as close to "the real McCoy" as they come." --Jamey Lee West steve_v@steveverdon.com Deinonychus antirrhopus [This message has been edited by Steve_V (edited 12-20-2007).] IP: Logged
El Buggo Member	posted 12-20-2007 12:19 PM I think Steve has a very real problem. I can't believe anyone drinks that much. IP: Logged
llamas Member	posted 12-20-2007 12:33 PM quote: Originally posted by LaneH: Didn't know that. But, referencing back to the book I linked, there is remarkably similar statement about russian sailors drinking 'the anti-freeze'. shudder In similar vein, it has been writ that a torpedoman in the Aleutians set up a still to produce and sell drinkable ethanol from the denatured ethanol fuel used in some models of WW2 USN torpedoes, aka 'gilly juice', and succeeded to such an extent that more than one combat-deployed torpedo failed to energize and strike its target on account of having no fuel in it. I do not believe this story - I do not believe that torpedoes deployed for combat missions would not be inspected for serviceability on a very regular basis. The ethanol fuel in question was denatured with an additive known as 'pink lady', whose effect, it is said, was to powerfully and immediately loosen the bowels, and it is said that many a senior torpedo rating had developed both a habit and a tolerance for the stuff to the point where they used it to - ahem - regulate their regularity, if you see what I mean. llater, llamas ------------------ . . . a truly bad and evil man. So bad and evil that he's banned by Kim du Toit. "All things are ready, if our minds be so." King Henry V, Act 4, scene 3 "I hope that those responsible have been sacked. And replaced by Llamas." - Glenn Harlan Reynolds IP: Logged
Steve_V Member	posted 12-20-2007 12:49 PM quote: Originally posted by El Buggo: I think Steve has a very real problem. I can't believe anyone drinks that much. Coming from you that is high praise indeed! ------------------ Steve "In a nutshell, he [Steve] is 100% unadulterated evil. I do not believe in a "Satan", but this man is as close to "the real McCoy" as they come." --Jamey Lee West steve_v@steveverdon.com Deinonychus antirrhopus IP: Logged
KGB Moderator	posted 12-20-2007 01:16 PM I had a former submariner tell me that the men got sometimes creative with the alcohol fuel for modern torpedoes. If I understood him correctly, the stuff is almost pure ethanol, but with lubricant added, something like fuel for a two-cycle engine. This lubricant might well be the "pink lady" spoken of. He claimed that his submarine got ahold of some torpedo alcohol that someone forgot to lubricate, and, well, they had to do something with it... I don't believe the torpedo failure part of the story either. For one thing, yes, the torpedoes were regularly and meticulously checked, as you would expect of anything critical to carrying out your mission and getting out alive afterwards. For another, there were plenty of other explanations for torpedo failure. There is another story about someone requisitioning a couple gallons of pure ethanol, purportedly used to clean electrical contacts, from a naive supply officer who didn't think to question why that much contact cleaner might be required on a single patrol. IP: Logged
LaneH Member	posted 12-20-2007 01:50 PM Until the mid somethings (somewhere in the 90's) , we chem dorks relied on the azeotrope, which was benzene. Drinky == badddddd Teh nano-absorb balls now are totally ftw. ------------------ lane h. can be reached at laneman@erols.com "Never let your mind remain so open that your brain falls out." IP: Logged
setnahkt Member	posted 12-20-2007 04:26 PM Current naval torpedos are powered by Otto fuel, which is interesting stuff indeed: http://www.atsdr.cdc.gov/tfacts77.html Back in college, the chem jocks would mix 8 gallons of pure ethanol with 20 gallons of water, add some grape Kool-aid for color, and a couple of blocks of dry ice for atmosphere, then invite everyone over for punch. IP: Logged
El Buggo Member	posted 12-20-2007 11:11 PM In first year university I shared a locker with the guy that won all but one of the scholarships from our high school. He couldn't decide on his major; computer science or chemistry so he could make his own drugs and alcohol. I never touched anything of his. His lowest mark was an A- and he got that on an assignment he did while on LSD. In other news, I received a Christmas letter from a friend of mine that's been in the restaurant industry for 24 years. Apparently, according to him, Scotch has been declared an official food group. Excellent. IP: Logged
DennisC Moderator	posted 12-20-2007 11:43 PM CPA in public practice for 25 years. CPA in private practice for 2+ years, working for an eeeevil land developer. I�m only an expert in being a grandfather of two. Oh yea, I suppose I could be considered an expert in heavy Buggo hauling. ------------------ IP: Logged
Jeff Norman Moderator	posted 12-26-2007 10:36 AM We were told that Ottofuel was extremely toxic, even if you got just a drop on your skin. In foreign ports late at night we would sometimes ooze in behind the wardroom bar and create mixtures that could have been called drinks. I called them ottofuel. IP: Logged
Laura Tox Member	posted 12-28-2007 08:25 AM BS - Microbiology 1987 LSU (Geaux Tigers!) PhD - Toxicology 1992 Texas A&M (gig em Aggies). Used to play scientist, then got into product stewardship with major oil and chemical company, currently a lobbyist (truly evil...) Also, rather committed big game fisherperson (caught 20+ striped marlin on vacation in October). And a major political junkie. laura IP: Logged
SPQR Moderator	posted 12-28-2007 10:54 AM Good to see you, laura. IP: Logged

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