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 Post subject: Warrior cops
PostPosted: Thu Jul 25, 2013 4:18 pm 
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Didn't see this article discussed here. I think we've been discussing the topic for a number of years, but this is the highest profile article I've seen on the subject.

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 Post subject: Re: Warrior cops
PostPosted: Thu Jul 25, 2013 6:20 pm 
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Has a brief overview of SWAT team history. Darryl Gates, huh? Oy.

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 Post subject: Re: Warrior cops
PostPosted: Fri Jul 26, 2013 12:08 am 
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I interacted with the Denver SWAT team a couple of times during antiterrorist and hostage rescue training. They always impressed me, particularly in the hostage scenario when they briefed everybody in advance, telling us exactly what they were going to do - and it was still a surprise when they did it.

However, I had another encounter that was a little puzzling; in a seminar on HAZMAT response, the Denver police chief present commented that if confronted with a HAZMAT incident he would call his SWAT team. I asked him why; does the SWAT team have HAZMAT training? He replied no, but that he was sure they would all get there in a hurry. That perhaps says something about expectation for "ordinary" police officers. It also suggests another potential explanation for the SWAT phenomena; if you have one, it will get used even in inappropriate conditions (like HAZMAT response) - in order to justify its existence if nothing else.


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 Post subject: Re: Warrior cops
PostPosted: Wed Jul 31, 2013 3:45 pm 
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I began my morning today by sleeping through a gunfight. I'm not sure if that's a win or a fail. My wife tells me the entire street was blocked with police vehicles as a SWAT team surrounded the home of a guy just a few doors down from me who had gotten into a fight with his son and (supposedly) run around the neighborhood shooting. He's dead now, but I still don't know if the police killed him or if he shot himself. I can't say I feel like, on balance, I'm safer with that kind of law enforcement than I would be without it.

I live in the People's Republic of Yellow Springs, so I'm sure the Village will soon make an unsuccessful attempt to ban all guns. The people who will back that attempt sure were convinced that the solution to the problem was to call in hundreds of people with guns though.

Concerning the marijuana bust article, doesn't law enforcement videotape pretty much everything nowadays? If they said they knocked and identified themselves as law enforcement, everyone else contradicted that story, and they don't just show us the video, color me skeptical. One more reason to have video surveillance on your own property, with the recordings streamed to someplace far away and stored there.

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 Post subject: Re: Warrior cops
PostPosted: Fri Aug 02, 2013 10:04 pm 
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Just to provide a little perspective, I came home a few weeks ago to a message from the city saying that a certain street near me was closed but everything was fine. It turned out that the SWAT team had been called out.

The parents of a teenager were concerned about him. They called the authorities. When the police arrived, they found him armed and holed up in his room. They also found some bomb making materials in the home. The resulting standoff lasted a few hours but ended without any shots fired. The police were able to persuade the teenager to give himself up.

There was an elementary school across the street from the teenager's home. When the police found the bomb making materials, they put the school on lock down and searched it. It turns out the teenager had made some bombs, but had detonated them in a wooded area a few miles away.

So it appears that everything worked the way it was supposed to. The parents alerted the authorities, who took the boy into custody, where he is now getting the help he needs. And no one was hurt.


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