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 Post subject: The Overpromoted Society
PostPosted: Wed Nov 20, 2013 1:39 am 
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Some interesting sociological musings.

That our technological base has expanded faster than our talent seems plausible enough.


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 Post subject: Re: The Overpromoted Society
PostPosted: Wed Nov 20, 2013 9:22 am 
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Only a very small proportion of the children of the lowest classes, the mass of peasants, would survive to adulthood

In a word, no. It is kind of ironic that an essay that claims to speak to competencies could be so poorly written.

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 Post subject: Re: The Overpromoted Society
PostPosted: Wed Nov 20, 2013 10:33 am 
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Maybe he's one of those "...people who would make a poor-quality mid-level bureaucrat are actually allocated to jobs requiring a high-quality high-level bureaucrat."

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 Post subject: Re: The Overpromoted Society
PostPosted: Wed Nov 20, 2013 2:57 pm 
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Jeff Norman wrote:
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Only a very small proportion of the children of the lowest classes, the mass of peasants, would survive to adulthood

In a word, no. It is kind of ironic that an essay that claims to speak to competencies could be so poorly written.


Possibly a victim of the Dunning–Kruger effect.


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 Post subject: Re: The Overpromoted Society
PostPosted: Wed Nov 20, 2013 4:55 pm 
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KGB wrote:
That our technological base has expanded faster than our talent seems plausible enough.


I tend toward the opinion that higher intelligence is a lethal mutation.

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 Post subject: Re: The Overpromoted Society
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Huh. I thought it was an interesting thesis.


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 Post subject: Re: The Overpromoted Society
PostPosted: Thu Nov 21, 2013 2:00 am 
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This is a variant of the Peter Principle, except it allows people to start out incompetent.


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 Post subject: Re: The Overpromoted Society
PostPosted: Thu Nov 21, 2013 9:22 am 
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Interesting? Sure. Well thought out? Not really.
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The reduction on childhood mortality differentially applied to the children of the poorest, least intelligent, least hard-working, most impulsive, sickest - i.e. the least 'fit' in biological terms; such that after a few generations reproductive success became almost entirely a matter of fertility; and the wealthiest, most intelligent, hardest-working, most diligent and healthiest used modern technology to reduce their fertility to significantly sub-replacement levels. 

This appears to be very classist, presupposing that poor people were poor because they were unintelligent and lazy. Impulsiveness is a function of intelligence so that is somewhat redundant.

At no point does the author mention the affect of nutrition on intelligence and sickness.

I do not believe that laziness is a genetic trait of poor people passed on through the generations to poison our present and future societies. It might be a cultural tendency but not a poor gene.

The author seems to have no concept of the economies that kept poor people poor during the middle ages or how hard these people had to work to stay alive.

In fact now that I think about it the more I become morally outraged by the thesis. It seems like the premise for a shallow distopian story.

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 Post subject: Re: The Overpromoted Society
PostPosted: Thu Nov 21, 2013 9:44 am 
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And this was the world in which socialism emerged - socialism in its earliest form of a meritocracy of the talents; a society in which the highest positions would be open to those of ability as well as (or instead of) to those of noble birth; socialism as in essence a facilitating of the movement from the middle to upper class; but also - and increasingly - rationalized by facilitating the movement from lower to middle classes.

What a fecking academic. No! Capitalism was the earliest form of a meriticracy of talents derived from the industrial revolution. The best examples of this were the Quakers in 18th and 19th century England. And when they brought on staff, they hired like minded people who could do the job, not those supposedly intelligent sons of the upper classes who were in fact prime examples of indolence.

Thomas Edison hired creative and intelligent people he could exploit, not the upper classes. While we now consider those employed by Edison to have been exploited, they were in fact employed and engaged.

My brain may now have to explode. I would go and argue with him but he has a self declared pedanticly self serving moderation policy.

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